Flipper, I have this book on order. I am sure we will just devour it when it comes. You are totally right, an argument can never be won, a point can never be made with hard core JW like our parents. They can always trump you. You bring up sex abuse, they say " don't let it come between you and everlasting life" Anything you say they just refute it with the party line ( even proof like dates and unfulfilled prophecy). Even when they see you living a great life they think Satan is making it look that way. But I just had the most wonderful night with my husband and neighbor's in our backyards with good food and the kids playing. We talked about religion,politics and life, it was so nice.I can only hope they see the light someday.
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When Debating With Witnesses- Is Arguing Doctrine Beneficial ? Steve Hassan
by flipper inmy wife and i have been reading " releasing the bonds " by steve hassan and it makes some interesting points about assisting people to get out of any cult.
notice this excerpt from chapter 6 from the book.
hassan states, " it is also important to understand that in most bible -based cults, although the member is aggressively taught doctrine, it is not the doctrine that holds him in the group.
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the reason why JW kids never do homework
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because they are at the cult meetings taking in accurate no-ledge.
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This was a huge problem for us when we were going to meetings. Realistically kids need to eat dinner, unwind for awhile after school and do homework. It was not possible for our family to attend the second meeting on Thursday night during the school year. It's not possible for a working mom to get dinner on the table, clean it up, help kids with homework, get lunches for the next day then get dressed up and go back out again. We had family arguments every meeting night. Most young school aged children slept during the entire meeting with an uncomfortable suit on. At our congregation, 3/4 of families eventually elected to home school (no school). They would often say how much easier it was to get to meetings and out in service without all that pesky school work. The sad part was that by about 8th grade most of them were just hanging out at home or working with mom in her part time cleaning business. There was not one child in the last two decades (in our cong) that attended college. So no, not a lot of homework going on. Very sad.
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Is divorce and family break down on the increase in the organization?
by truthseeker invery often the society will write in their magazines that divorce and family breakdown are on the increase in the world.. in my congregation, there have rbeen two recent cases of adultery.
in both cases, the brothers were elders and their wives were regular pioneers.. from my observations and those of others on this forum it would seem that divorce and extramarital affairs are on the increase in the organization.. it's also true that we're all human and make mistakes - but if you're serving jehovah whole souled and putting him first, how is it these things happen?.
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Yes, I would say a breakdown is the same as in the world, about 50/50. A Lot of adultery that just gets handled on the down low ( no announcement). The aftermath seems to be worse for the kids, everyone knows every body's business.
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I am willing to be spontaneous, but only if I'm prepared first. You know clean the house, wash the car, fill the tank, mow the lawn, grocery shop, make a map quest,run to the ATM, find a sitter, take a shower. Then I'm up for anything!
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My Elder Brother's Flip-Flopping Sucking Up to Appease My Elderly Parents
by flipper inwhere do i start ?
a brief summation here.
as some of you know my ex-bethel elder brother told my sister a witness who was a victim of a stroke that in august she needed to move 8 hours away to her witness daughter who could care for her better .
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Flipper, this is one of my 1001 reasons for quitting. I have so many family members that won't miss a meeting or a Saturday in service but will not lift a finger to help elderly family members. " Sorry I can't take grandma to the doctor, it's my service day". Please tell me what good is it to preach to strangers that are hiding from you while you ignore family obligations. Is this not sacred service? We also have a sibling in the family that has not worked in 3 years (able bodied) and a lazy wife that has "never" worked that rely on a monthly stipend from their retired parents. But can you believe "he" is the "good brother" because he is the model JW, pioneer, elder yada yada. Where do you think he'll be when there are adult diapers to change?
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Advice please - phone service
by Dagney inokay, i am being s*****d by att without a kiss.
so, has anybody used vonnage or the like?
and how does it work?
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We have vonage, no problems. Unlimited long distance.
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What is your favourite alcoholic drink at the moment?
by free2think inso when i go out i usually have a cosmo, as you can tell im still channelling sex and the city lol, but... they arent very big so i've started drinking very berry cocktails which are also just as nice but much bigger, yum.
at home i tend to drink moscato spumante, which is delish too.
but im looking for new suggestions because im getting a little bored and want to mix it up a little.
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Gin with a weee little splash of tonic.
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Would You Have NOT Given Blood To A Family Member While a JW?
by minimus ini would not have given blood.
and if my jw mom did not want blood, i would respect her wishes, too--- even now.
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I would abide by their wishes. My husband has had to refuse blood in a critical situation in the past, and it ended up being okay, but very dire for a few days. It never even occurred to us to go ahead and take the transfusion then. In the back of my mind it always really worried me about what I would do if it were my kids. I secretly hoped that a physician would just get a judge involved and then it would be out of my hands. Even when I was "in" I would have given them blood, kidneys, lobes of liver anything they needed.
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Are YOU 100% Out Of Jehovah's Witness Control?
by minimus inas long as you have family still in the jw`s..there`s always going to be problems..it does`nt go away.........................outlaw
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No, I don't think I will ever be free. My whole extended family is in. We keep all the drapes closed on the weekends and don't answer the phone. I am working on being mentally free, which is tough when you were a born-in. We are working on the kids so they aren't like us. They are still afraid to have a cupcake when there is birthday at school.
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I just really like those little bunches for $4.99 at the grocery store, they last all week and don't break the bank. The most sexy part is he also remembered the bread and PNB for the kids lunches the next day. Priceless!